I am getting tired of playing MPH. It might not be long before I quit
playing altogether... Why? This game isn't what it used to be. When
I first got it I had fun playing against people. Now however, all I
ever get are hackers, glitchers and alters. I am forced to D/C on atleast 2/3
of my matches because of them... These hackers must be stopped,
It's annoying how these n00bs have to cheat just to get wins.

Is thee any way to actually stop a hacker or glitcher? This topic is
for strageties for avoiding and possibly even beating them. as far as
I know, some counters we know are not very affective against them.

[ No, screw the Neuron. I had a point. ]

Rewrite, I am sure nobody before has said this to you for your rants, but can you please SHUT UP about the black hats or whatever you wish to call them these days. Nobody cares what you like to call them, people will just call them hackers, and you getting pissy about calling them hackers won't change it.
And yes, at one point 999999/1000000 of the people aren't there probably were "noobs" at the start, but on things such as MPH, people having been playing it since it came out, yet they are worse than a lot of kids that just got the game. they may not be able to be stopped, but oh well, you can't stop people from making topics to try to vent some of their rage out. Hell I am getting tired of the people on wifi too, so I have the same problem as Dragon.
Rewrite, I guess you just can't understand it like us. You don't have wifi, so you can't even get on hoping to have at least a bit of fun just to be alted by some cheap b******.
Yes, me and Dragon were both "noobs" on the game at a point to, but we worked on bettering ourselves, and we are proud we did.
Are we proud we have to D/C a lot? No, but why give points to someone who doesn't deserve them, when they D/C every time we get a lead?
Yes, we have known that Nintendo doesn't care about the hacking, hell, they have only done one thing to deter glitching, and that was to ban the % sign from people's names when logging onto wifi, but using it was fun and completely harmless with no effects like extra ammo or something or go through a wall, it just changed the name some.
Yes, nobody can stop the hacking, it is too widespread, nobody at all can stop it now, but if Nintendo got off their asses, they could do something to deter it some on wifi, like having specially made cartridges for employees that can view IP's or FC's of players, and if a player hacks or glitches or something around the employee in a match, info can be added to the servers to ban the players.

[ No, screw the Neuron. I had a point. ]

If they shut down the servers, their "precious" NSiders forum will be spammed and ruined by people, and eventually lose a lot of the spamming children, but frankly, the only way that could somehow hurt them is they get a few less sells.
A few less sells won't effect them, they are a multibillionare company.

No, because they would have beaten Sony. And Sony got more sales world wide.


EDIT: No, don't forget, and no, Dragon you can't call them whatever you want.

Sony sells more because of their tv channels, retail stores, and their huge electronic buisness, but currently sony is in a downward slump compared to its past. Remember the battery fiasko? That cost them some. Right now Sony is banking on Blu-Ray defeating HD-DVD, thye hope it will get them back on track.
Rewrite, obviously you don't know the defenition of "noob". I know I don't. Also, if your goal was to lose favor. Then let me quote a friend of mine:

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I agree with you Dragon. I stopped playing Age of Empires II The Conquerors online because noobs keeped hacking and it was noobs who hacked every damn game. Why do I know this? Well its easy, if the kid takes about 20 minutes to answer your message and it usually involves caps lock, "yo momma", "LOL", and ebonics then your playing with a noob. So yeah. Thanks programers who base their self-esteem on the view of others and in order to compensate for their lack of face-to-face human relationship must create programs to gain the support of their fellow lowlife programmers! You guys rule!
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Edit: I know I'm going to hate myself because of this post. I think I was too harsh.

Lets thank the programmers for our many things we have today, including our lives. Thanks! I mean, if programmers just stopped, and took EVERY LAST machine they ever made, and left none at places where they belong (except where ever the hell they'd store 'em) then our Water would stop, Electricity wouldn't flow, and most importantly, Nuclear Reactors would go unstable without any buttons to cool them off.

Yeah, they definately don't rule. Yeah, they suck. Lets not thank them, they don't do anything worth of Crap for us.

Well, Anubis, people are getting out of control. Cheating on games is becoming too easy these days.
Hell, I could probably find a working aimbot for nearly any first person shooter game for the PC that is still active, within 10 minutes of searching using Yahoo.
Hell, I wish it was harder for people, because if it was harder, the disease, laziness, that sweeps America, would stop a lot of the people, not all, but quite a few. It won't stop me as easily, because when I am determined to find something, I can spend hours searching for it.
I just wish there could be some games out there I would like that aren't tainted with people that feel that they have to cheat, just so they can be "at the top". Cheating will only bring hate from my view, I have too much built up against people that feel that they must do whatever is necisary to win.

Well since programmers suck, we can't.

Not all programmers suck. lot are actually very good. It is mainly the ones who create scripts and such that are used in things such as games, sites dealing with money transfers, and other things, in negative manners towards many others, are the hackers that "suck".
But constructive programers that make things for the good of someone, are ones that are actually ones that can be praised.

Try to think of how things would be if there were no browsers for the internet, or the internet could have no graphics or specials designs, and just be plain and dull, how do you think that would be?

I've beaten ONE hacker before, t'was a 1 on 1 with a hacker. Now, this guy was too stupid to heal, so I coiled him down every time before he could figure it out. Well...the coil ain't bad when fighting a hacker. Nintendo can't do much, it's a free market, however they are working on SOME stuff, they'll upgrade stuff hopefully...I was once a n00b, now I'm a 5-star ass whippa.

SpacePirate, I'm impressed with your ratio of bipedal kills to alt form kills, you have more kills altogether than some 5-stars. Keep up the GREAT work, and don't ever give up, you're not a hacker, and you have a great future ahead of you if you put your back into it.

No, of course not all programmers suck, that was sarcasm. <_<

It doesn't matter whether they do things for good or bad, either way, if they can get something successful(that is not common, or pretty hard to accomplish)then they are pretty good I guess. UNLESS they use programs that they didn't make. Those are just script-kiddies.

@Omega
Who cares? edit: actually, that was a joke. The "Hacker" was probably a guy smoking weed and listening to Johnny Lennon.

Aimbots can lead to a permanant bannage on some games (punkbuster
protected games). If you even edit a main file within the game it will ban you.
The only hack for PC games I know of that isn't bannable is seeing through walls.

All I want to do is find out how to get people out of walls when they glitch into them on stages, then I'l be fine. As for nintendo doing anythihng, they really can't, its not a MMORPG, therfore they can't jsut send employees onto the game to regulate it.

They can, (What the hell? It's their server of course they can) but they just don't want to.

As for the "glitchers." Who cares? No seriously, who really cares if someone goes and glitches something? You're not going to die, you're not going to combust. Hell, if someone glitched on my game, I would give them a taste of their own medicine, hardcore style.

What Dragon doesn't understand about "hackers" is: power. These kind of programmers, what they like to do is have power. On the Internet, the biggest, honorable, society are the Hackers and the Sub Categories that follow. This all started in the late 1980s, when Perl was first invented.

Many programmers of Perl liked to make programmers; websites; and steal. The ones that stole, are the ones that tried to convince the programmers to join. They refused, however. Eventually they were split into groups. Pretty much a war on the Internet.

They were split into: Hackers, Blackhats, Whitehats, and GreyHats. The Hackers were just the programmers. The Blackhats were the ones that wanted to, steal, crack, and destroy.

The Whitehats were the ones that were totally against the Blackhats, they believed that programming and hacking should be used for the good of the internet. The Greyhats were the ones that would find holes in security systems, and gave information to either group without taking responsibility of what happened to that information, and what it was used for.

The reason such people did such things were: The Black Hats were power hungry. They saw that the Internet was increasing, and computers were begining to be more and more used, and they thought, Why steal? When I can just hack something from miles away?.

I read a "Diary Of A Hacker" way back in August. If you read that, you can understand why he did what he did. Many things you can do with knowledge of the internet, eh? And many things you can avoid. Many things you can gain.

The way a lot of us see it is: People come onto the Internet, they settle, and they ignore everything we've established, ignore our culture, and state they're own, ruining us.

That is why Hackers and the rest(even the white hats)look down upon script-kiddies. Why? Because that is what a script kiddie is.

When Dragon says, "Hackers... whats with them?" To you it may not seem like he is saying much, but to the well-informed ones, he is putting a bad name to Programmers every where... even if they aren't as skilled as they should be to reach the rank of "hacker."

So you see, when either of you say, "Who cares what they're called?" Many people do. And by that, I mean, many people care enough to stop you. To you it may not mean much (and don't use this against me by saying that to me mph doesn't mean that much. Because simply, it's not that big a deal, when comparing to something like this (and don't try to use that either)) but it does, because it is History.

And yes, it is a "culture." So many people ruined it, it isn't a culture no more. Go to any Hacker that isn't a black hat and ask him for help on a program or coding. He/she might test your knowledge first, but if you know nothing, you'll just be laughed at.

That is why I never moved onto programming before learning a thing or two on history. Dragon one time asked me, I don't get it... I have seen C++ tutorials, and I don't understand how you make a game out of that, how does typing a few lines of code mean anything?! I DON'T GET IT!

Yes, you don't. Know why? Because you aren't well informed, you don't even take the time to actually learn some background between what Assembly is, and how an Interpreter/compiler works. Maybe if you thought of reading something first, and putting some logic onto it (something that means what it says) then maybe you wouldn't have so much trouble, now would you?

Hell, even I don't know how the first computer was made. And by that I mean exactly how it calculated it, how they made Electrons flow to perceive the right numbers. But I dare not go there, simply, because I haven't learned why, and I'm not going to ask myself that question until I know why. Why don't I go learn it? Because I don't feel like it.

If you are still rubbing your head, then maybe some more complex words will help: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Ethic ]

*is too lazy to read all of that*

Glitchers are easy as hell. Expecially when you can repeat after them and go even farther!

Um... Thanks for the history lesson? Back on topic... >_>

That wasn't a history lesson. Or maybe it was. It was to shove information down your throat and see if it will stick there. And that was on topic, considering no one deleted my other post, or told me I was off topic.

And since you don't take my "history lesson" down your throat, I might as well go ahead and defy something else. I don't care if "hackers" aren't a race, or if they even count as people (since being on the internet, is not, in fact, the real world) but going around defining that word as whatever you want is like me going around saying that the word, "N*gg*r" is not a racist term.

Do you see my point?

And yet your warning level seems to have increased.

Also, Dragon just told you to keep on topic, and he is a mod.

I was offended by your post. I have been putting up with you, but this has crossed the line. Your comparing me called those who hack "hackers" to racist people
calling African Americans the N word? I'm pissed off right now. That was COMPLETLY uncalled for... I told you to get back on topic, but you didn't
take the hint. Enough with your stupid hacker rants, nobody cares about them.
And don't you dare compare me to racists EVER again, I'm serious.

For the last time, Back on topic... If you go along with your rants again I'll warn,
I have given you several verbal warnings already.

Okay. Guess what? I wasn't calling you racist, and I wasn't comparing YOU, I was comparing what you SAID. Unless you like to think that words are you.

Oh, enough with my stupid hacker rants? You know, I think that may have been a self-pwnt. Because, honestly, I doubt anybody cares who hacks MPH because it wouldn't ruin any body's life, so next time, think twice before you post something like that.

And seriously, why do you people don't just say it? "the n word omg." Out of every black person, I am probably the only one who doesn't take it that damn offensively (Yes, I am a hispaniard and black, who cares?) so don't say "omg the N word." It's a word, okay? That happened well over 100 years ago. And I wasn't calling "African Americans." I was just saying, BLACK PEOPLE. I don't know if you noticed, but Black People come from a series of place: Honduras, Jamaica, Republican Dominican.

@Emperor
Okay? Yeah... okay. I thought mods were just "regular people," and nothing more. They're just here to help out MM right? So, by using the word "mod" in Italics, you are implying that he is better than me. Erm, and no, He didn't tell me to get back on topic, that was Dragon.

OK, so I wasn't thinking when I wrote that up. And I used it in italics because you claimed that no one had told you go back on topic, when Dragon just clearly did. Nevermind that though, this has gone on far enough, locked and please, please, please cool down Dragon and Rewrite, the flaming is getting tiring.


EDIT:Alright, I am going to unlock this, but please folks, keep it civil.

And also, keep in mind that it's hard to tell voice tone over the internet, what might seem like just an argument to someone can seem like blatant insulting to another person.

Yeah. Good point. Maybe I shouldn't have put my finger on in the first post, but I have a point. Now, I also shouldn't have used, "n*gg*r" in reference to what Dragon said. Maybe I should have used this:

Now, if you, Dragon, wish to stop Black hats, go ahead... be my guest. Hell, I might help you. Even if you want to stop greys or whites. But when you address them wrong, I don't know why, I can't stand it.

Simple, hack back.

Yes, very simple. Well it is simple to me, but to people like Dragon, I doubt it is that easy. And what're you talking about "hack back?" That would start another hack war, except, since nothing script-kiddies "hack" MPH, it would be a script-kiddie war. :P

Exactly.. noone would win.

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Do you know what you are saying? Obviously one would win. What are you talking about? Script-kiddies are lame, and suck, the war would be over in 2 minutes because their new HackThisHackThat program they downloaded from freehaks.com suck just like they do.

No, hackers always go for invincibility.

OMG GUYS LOOK AT DIS